10:34 AM: Here is the debate (posted yesterday). Lots of great issues raised; also represented is a certain leftist self-indulgence that drives me crazy. However, issues of whether and how this movement can "scale" and whether we ultimately want a representative democracy were discussed and, in my opinion, deserve further attention (sans Foucauldian nonsense).
a debate on #occupyws from Jacobin on Vimeo.
10:47 AM: Make sure to go read some of these notes that accompanied care packages to OWS (they're heartwarming).
10:52 AM: Kevin Drum on zombie talking points (with a Groundhog Day analogy).
11:11 AM: Joan Walsh on OWS:
I do know this: Even without demands, OWS has completely changed the conversation in this country. We are talking about much more interesting things than we were on Sept. 16. Conversations about staggering income inequality and “the top 1 percent” were mostly limited to liberal bloggers and labor economists; cable talk shows were obsessing over the debt-ceiling battle and the deficit “crisis” and President Obama’s latest poll numbers. (Chris Bowers shows that the cable conversation has changed dramatically.)
11:20 AM: Dylan Rattigan wants Tim Geithner fired.
12:53 PM: Allison Kilkenny for the Nation - OWS as old-fashion village.
1:27 PM: My dream interview (and Paul Krugman)...
Prof. Joseph E. Stiglitz: The State of the Global Economy from World Bank on Vimeo.
The above video and this article are a bit dated, but his twitter just sent them out and they're certainly relevant.
1:30 PM: On organizations and movements.
1:56 PM: This is fascinating - its a GA report regarding the co-option issue.
2:09 PM: Mike Konczal of Rortybomb on The Austerity Class and the Deficit - this issue - who benefits from austerity and why the hell would anyone want it - is fascinating to me.
2:32 PM: Everything you've heard in the media about OWS is wrong (except this, of course).
3:27 PM: Five worst banks.
3:33 PM:
4:31 PM: Tom Noah take down of Megan McArdle ridiculousness (apparently, Wall Street watergirl McMegan thinks the recession fixed inequality).
4:34 PM: Kevin Gosztola interview reposted at The Dissenter. By the way, no idea why I introduced myself as Taryn, like I'm a one-name celebrity (drives me crazy every time I replay it).
5:05 PM: Occupy Utopia - great article from Missoula Independent about Occupy Missoula.
7:07 PM: Real Estate Board of New York is establishing rules designed to stop occupations.
7:42 PM: The 99% Declaration and proposed Constitutional Convention is apparently not GA approved and, if this account is to be believed, it doesn't sound like it will happen.
9:13 PM: Michael Moore for my Mom.
9:19 PM: In one month the occupation becomes a force.
And in photos.
10:12 PM: Occupy Oakland is being evicted - no word on whether protesters intend to defend the occupation, but I do recall that Naomi Klein reported that the occupation in Oakland was amazing in terms of the services provided.
10:29 PM: Russell Brand on Zuccotti Park and OWS - one of the better takes I've heard.
Taryn, I don't have the patience for a two-hour debate. Any chance for a brief summary and your thoughts on the debate instead?
@Raenelle - well, the big issue is how does this movement "scale" (meaning how does it make the leap from the park to real transformation). It was pointed out that many such movements (Spain, Seatlle), have fizzled. No real answers - just questions. I would say that was the most significant though not the only issue raised (another issue, for example, is whether it is really intended that the "direct democracy" model become a political reality or whether we want a representative democracy).
Bankers are getting worried. So, I guess the Erin Burnett charm offensive isn't working for them. If they're hiring a bunch of security, does that mean that #OWS is a job creator?
Taryn--You are a one name celeb to all of us!!!
I loved the Robert Reich bit on the 7 big lies about the economy. It was succinct and informative. Let's all repost that bad boy!! Keep up the good work, Taryn
While everyone else is groaning at the lack of structure and tsk-tsking at the lack of policy proposals, Michael Moore recommends staying with the lack of structure and refusing to state specifics. I don't know much, but the one thing in the world that I know is that MM is trustworthy. Listen to him. Please.
It was pointed out in this comment section (http://jacobinmag.com/blog/?p=1937) that Henwood was wrong about Spain. After he made his remark the protests got even larger.
Even though I come from the same political tradition as many of these speakers, I think they mostly got OWS wrong (see my extensive comments here: http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/ows-debate/)
Also, there is no way to truly override a block. If consensus is blocked, it goes to a 9/10 vote. At the direct action meeting we had to eject a sympathetic journalist because a previous meeting had decided to exclude them. Most of us voted to change that, 1 person blocked, and then 3-4 people voted with the blocker out of a meeting of about 40 people. It was frustrating to have the will of the majority flouted in that way, but such is the consensus model we're working with now...
Some concrete examples of the difficulties OWS is running into:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-kanalley/occupy-wall-street-zuccotti-park_b_1026400.html
http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/10/the-state-of-the-occupation-of-wall-street/
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